1909 Argentine Mauser Serial Numbers
Argentine Model 1909 Cavalry Carbine(Mfg in 1910 by Deutsche Waffen und Munitions Fabriken, Berlin)
Picked this 1909 Argentine Mauser up today for $300.00. I don't know much about them other than being told they were good shooters. This one is all. I have a 1909 Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53. Rifle appears to be un-issued with all matching serial numbers and clear inspectors cartouche's on all stock peices. Rifle is German made and the Argentine contract crest is stamped on the receiver, the bolt face indicates that the rifle is un-fired.
For Sale - 1909 Argentine (7.65 x 53) Cavalry Carbine Serial # A1497
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Rifling & Twist: ....... 4 Groove, Right Hand Twist
Barrel Length: ....... 21.8 in. (556mm)
Overall Length: ...... 41.5 in. (1056mm)
Weight: ............ 7.9 lb. (3.59kg)
Magazine Capacity: ... 5 rounds (staggered column box)
Qty Mfg: ........... 43,072 total (1910-1959) .. 24,000 by DWM (1910-1911)
Source: .. Argentine Mauser Rifles 1871-1959 by Colin Webster - ISBN: 0764318683
Canadian Market Value Estimate: $
1909 Argentine Cavalry Carbine
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Observations:
In the mid 1880’s the Argentine army was using the Remington Rolling Block Rifle, after which they switched to the Model 1891 Mauser and finally, the Model 1909. The 1909 Argentine Mauser was manufactured under contract by DWM in Germany for the Argentine government and it was also later produced in Agentine factories. It's built on the large ring Mauser 98 style action and it was made in 4 versions, the 1909 Rifle, the 1909 sniper, 1909 Cavalry (shown here), and the 1909 Mountain Carbine, each of the last three in limited numbers. The 1909 Cavalry carbine is a 98 Mauser with a few variances:
Hinged floor plate, with a release in the front of the trigger guard;
Shorter length;
Front sight with protective ears;
Tangent rear sight;
Extended bolt release lever; and a
Full-length Mannlicher style stock.
Collector's Comments and Feedback:
1. DIFFERENT MODEL 1909 ARGENTINE CARBINES (click here)
The Military Rifle Journal (click here)
From the December issue, pages 328 - 330
BY MARION MERICLE
In the last two years many Argentine Carbines have come into the country. I will try to discuss the different versions and details about them.
The first type M-1909 Arg. carbine (cavalry) was made in Germany, for Argentina, by 'D.W.M.' on the left side of the ring, in two lines is: (1) MAUSER MODELO (2) ARGENTINA 1909 (This can be be found in 'Handbook of Military Rifle Marks' page 1 Illus. #18.) (I will call this reference (H) in the rest of the article, as usual). On the top of the receiver ring is: The Argentine Crest (H) page 91 Illus. #1.) On the right ring is the serial number. (All the German made M-1909 Carbines and rifles I have seen have a capital letter preceding the 4 digit serial number.) On the left receiver rail, in two lines, is (1) DEUTSCHE WAFFEN-UND (2) MUNITIONS FABRIKEN, BERLIN ((H) page #22 Illus. #6.)
The second type of Argentine carbine (cavalry) is one of two types made in Argentina. On the left ring, in two lines is (1) F.M.A.P. (2) MAUSER MOD. 1909 ((H) page 1, illus. #19b.) On the ring top is the Argentine crest and below the crest EJERCITO ARGENTINO. On the right ring is the serial number. (I have only had two of this type of carbine: serial #008254 which I purchased at the Sears outlet store in Covington, Ga., in 1975, and #006898 which I purchased from 'AIM' on 7-99.) On the left rail in two lines are (1) DIRECCION GENERAL DE (2) FABRICACIONES MILITARES ((H) page 1, illus. #19a.)
The third type of Argentine Carbine (Calvary) is the other type as made in Argentina. On the left ring, in two lines are: (1) EJERCITO ARGENTINO (2) MAUSER MOD. 1909 ((H) page 1, illus. #17) On the top ring is the Argentine crest. On the right ring is the serial number and on the left rail is D.G.F.M.-(F.M.A.P.). This third type has more serial numbers, in my case, than the second type. Some serial numbers on the third type that have came through my shop and collection in the past two years are: 000356, 000887, 001809, 001812, 002495, 003326, 004781 and 008250.
Now to the fourth type. This is the so called mountain or engineers carbine. All I have seen are marked made at D.W.M., just like the first type M-1909 carbines and all M-1909 long rifles. The six or so I have seen are all in the 'A' prefix serial number range. (I have never seen a German made M-1909 or M-1891 Mauser without some letter prefix.) This Carbine is not stocked to the muzzle like the first three types (cavalry.) They have the M-1909 and M-1891 bayonet adapter ( like the M-1909 long rifle), M-1909 long rifle front sight, M-1909 long rifle bottom sling swivels, M-1909 cavalry carbines short rear sight (1400meters), and short cavalry carbine type 21&1/2 inch or so barrel. (The M-1909 long rifle has a long 2000 meter rear sight and a 29 inch or so barrel.) At the same time the M-1909 mountain engineers carbines came in, M-1901 engineers mountain carbines came in, also made by 'Loewe' or 'D.W.M.' The only difference between the regular M-1891 cavalry carbines is that on the M-1891 mountain engineers carbine a two piece bayonet lug assembly was added to attach an entrenchment tool or bayonet.
Now to some details on these four types of Argentine carbines. One thing is that no picture of the M-1909 engineers-mountain carbine exists as the picture in Ball's book on page 16, middle photograph, is wrong. (The picture shows a 1912 Steyr short rifle for Chile, Colombia or Mexico.) Another thing: three types of front nosecaps exist on M-1909 cavalry carbines: (1) on my early D.W.M. carbine, serial #A0150, the nosecap has a wood screw in the front below the barrel going into the front end of the stock wood. (The other two nosecaps are solid except for the barrel hole. (They must have decided not to use the wood screw after making the first few D.W.M. type one carbines as this is the only one I have seen.) All of the other. higher serial number D.W.M. carbines I have seen have had the second (2) type nosecap (that follows.) This second (2) nosecap is in my case used on all the third type M-1909 calvary carbines I have seen. The nosecap is just like the (1) first one without the front woodscrew hole. This second (2) and the first (1) type nosecap are alike in that the barrel does not come out of the nosecap. (The bayonet fits on a sleeve that is part of the nosecap and that sticks out beyond the barrel.) (The bullet goes through the larger than bullet diameter hole in the sleeve, like a muzzle brake or flash hider.) The third (3) and final nosecap is used on the second type of M-1909 cavalry carbine only on my two examples. This nosecap is different in that it does not have the extended sleeve as on the first (1) and second (2) type nosecaps. The barrel is a little longer so it can stick through the nosecap. (In other words, the nosecap is flat, like on the Swedish 94 carbine. With the barrel sticking through the flat nosecap, the bayonet goes on the barrel.)
On the earliest type three (3) M-1909 carbines the letters are smaller on the side rail. (As on my carbine, serial #000356.
Summing up, all three type M-1909 Argentine (cavalry) carbines are alike except for the markings, barrel and front nosecap. While on the subject I have never seen a M-1909 Argentine long rifle that was made in Argentina; these were only made in Germany by D.W.M.
Some translations: The D.W.M. on the side rail means German Arms and Ammunition Factory, Berlin. D.G.F.M. means General Office of Military Production. (F.M.A.P.) means Military Factory of Small Arms. EJERCITO ARGENINO means Argentine Army.
This is all I have on this subject for now, so if any members can add to this, do so. Thanks. ..... (Article by 'MARION MERICLE' from The Military Rifle Journal)
| 7.65×53mm Argentine | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| Type | Rifle | |||||||||||||||||||
| Place of origin | German Empire | |||||||||||||||||||
| Service history | ||||||||||||||||||||
| In service | 1889-1970s | |||||||||||||||||||
| Used by | See Usage | |||||||||||||||||||
| Wars | World War I Chaco War Ecuadorian–Peruvian War World War II | |||||||||||||||||||
| Production history | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Designer | Paul Mauser | |||||||||||||||||||
| Variants | 7.65×53mmR (rimmed) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Specifications | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Case type | rimless, bottlenecked | |||||||||||||||||||
| Bullet diameter | 7.94 mm (0.313 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Neck diameter | 8.78 mm (0.346 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Shoulder diameter | 10.90 mm (0.429 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Base diameter | 12.01 mm (0.473 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Rim diameter | 12.05 mm (0.474 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Rim thickness | 1.00 mm (0.039 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Case length | 53.60 mm (2.110 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Overall length | 76.00 mm (2.992 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Case capacity | 3.70 cm3 (57.1 gr H2O) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Rifling twist | 280 mm (1 in 11.02 in) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Primer type | Large rifle | |||||||||||||||||||
| Maximum pressure | 390.00 MPa (56,565 psi) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ballistic performance | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| Source(s): Cartridges of the World, 11th ed[1] | ||||||||||||||||||||
The 7.65×53mm Mauser (designated as the 7,65 × 53 Arg. by the C.I.P.)[2] is a first-generation smokeless powderrimless bottlenecked riflecartridge developed for use in the Mauser Model 1889rifle by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company. It is also known as 7.65×53mm Argentine, 7.65×53mm Argentine rimless, 7.65mm Argentine, 7.65×53mm Belgian Mauser or 7.65mm Belgian (in the United States) and 7.65×53mm Mauser (in Belgium).
Cambridge advanced learner s dictionary download apk. The 7.65×53mmR is a rimmed variant of the 7.65×53mm Mauser cartridge.[citation needed] Ballistically it is comparable to the also-rimmed .303 British cartridge.[citation needed]
- 4Military use
History[edit]
The 7.65×53mm Mauser was the result of considerable experimentation by Paul Mauser to optimize the bullet diameter for use with the new smokeless propellant introduced as Poudre B in the 1886 pattern 8mm Lebel that started a military rifle ammunition revolution.[3] At the time of its development it was a high-performance smokeless-powder cartridge.
This cartridge was loaded commercially by many manufacturers in the United States until about 1936.[1]Hornady is the only major U.S. ammunition manufacturer to still produce this cartridge. Sporting ammunition in this caliber is still loaded in Europe.[1]Norma, Prvi Partizan, and Fabricaciones Militares (FM) currently produce 7.65×53mm ammunition.[4] Boxer-primed cases are easily formed from .30-06 brass; resize and trim. For reloading the cartridge, use .303' British load data.
Cartridge dimensions[edit]
The 7.65×53mm Mauser has 3.70 ml (57.1 grains H2O) cartridge case capacity.The exterior shape of the case was designed to promote reliable case feeding and extraction in bolt action rifles and machine guns alike, under extreme conditions.
7.65×53mm Mauser maximum C.I.P. cartridge dimensions. All sizes in millimeters (mm).
Americans would define the shoulder angle at alpha/2 ≈ 22.2 degrees. The common rifling twist rate for this cartridge is 280 mm (1 in 11.02 in), 4 grooves, Ø lands = 7.65 mm, Ø grooves = 7.92 mm, land width = 4.20 mm and the primer type is large rifle.[2]
According to the official Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (CIP) rulings the 7.65×53mm Mauser can handle up to 390.00 MPa (56,565 psi) Pmax piezo pressure. In CIP member countries every rifle cartridge combination has to be proofed at 125% of this maximum pressure to certify fit for sale to consumers.This means that 7.65×53mm Mauser chambered arms in CIP regulated countries are currently (2013) proof tested at 487.50 MPa (70,706 psi) PE piezo pressure.[2]
The American .308 Winchester cartridge is a close ballistic twin of the 7.65×53mm Mauser. The .308 Winchester being a post World War II cartridge developed by Winchester to provide similar performance in a short bolt action format.[citation needed]
Due to the cartridge case's dimensions, production of 7.65mm brass can be accomplished by reforming .30-06 Springfield cases. Simply resize and trim.
Military ammunition[edit]
The original 1898 pattern military ball ammunition was introduced in the Mauser Model 1889 and loaded with a 13.65 grams (210.7 gr) round-nosed bullet fired at a muzzle velocity of 650 m/s (2,133 ft/s) with 2,884 J (2,127 ft⋅lbf) muzzle energy.
Following the lead of French and German army commands in developing the spitzer - a pointed-tip - bullet shape, later military ball ammunition was loaded with a 10.00 g (154.3 gr) spitzer bullet fired at a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s (2,723 ft/s) with 3,445 J (2,541 ft⋅lbf) muzzle energy from a 589 mm (23.2 in) long barrel became available. It had a maximum range of 3,700 m (4,046 yd).[5]
After that military ball ammunition loaded with an 11.25 g (173.6 gr) spitzer bullet fired at a muzzle velocity of 725 m/s (2,379 ft/s) with 2,957 J (2,181 ft⋅lbf) muzzle energy from a 589 mm (23.2 in) long barrel became available. Besides a pointed nose this projectile also had a boat tail to further reduce drag. It had a maximum range of 5,000 m (5,468 yd).[5]
Military use[edit]
At one time, the 7.65×53mm Mauser cartridge saw widespread military use. It was used by:
- Argentina[6]
- Belgium[7]
- Bolivia[8]
- Colombia[9]
- Ecuador[10]
- Paraguay[11]
- Peru[12]
- Spain[13]
- Turkey[14]
Chambered service weapons[edit]
Some of the Mauser rifles it was used in were the Model 1889, Model 1890, Model 1891, Model 1893, Model 1903, Model 1905, Model 1907, Model 1909, Model 1927, FN Model 1930, Vz. 32, Standardmodell 1933 and FN Model 1935. Other rifles included the Fittipaldi machine gun, Madsen machine gun and the FN Model 1949. In Argentinian military service, the cartridge was used from 1891 to the early 1970s in Mauser bolt-action military rifles, as well as a semi-automatic rifle, the FN-49, manufactured by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium.
References[edit]
- ^ abcBarnes, Frank C. (2006) [1965]. Skinner, Stan (ed.). Cartridges of the World (11th ed.). Iola, WI, USA: Gun Digest Books. p. 357. ISBN0-89689-297-2.
- ^ abcC.I.P. TDCC datasheet 7,65 × 53 Arg.
- ^Mauser Rifles and Pistols by W. H. B. Smith
- ^Prvi Partizan Official website
- ^ abFN Mauser Model 98 Rifle and Carbine Operator's Manual(PDF), p. 28, archived from the original(pdf) on 2012-05-10
- ^Ball 2011, p. 9.
- ^Ball 2011, p. 41.
- ^Ball 2011, pp. 58-61.
- ^Ball 2011, p. 100.
- ^Ball 2011, pp. 127-129.
- ^Ball 2011, p. 273.
- ^Ball 2011, pp. 287-288.
- ^Ball 2011, p. 335.
- ^Ball 2011, p. 377.
- Ball, Robert W. D. (2011). Mauser Military Rifles of the World. Iola: Gun Digest Books. ISBN9781440228926.
Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909
External links[edit]
| Wikimedia Commons has media related to 7,65×53 mm Argentino. |
- The 7.65x53 and 7.65x53R page, by Chuck Hawks(accessed 2015-03-14)